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I hear it every day from at least one patriot – “If only our country were the way it used to be.” As the United States keeps getting farther and farther away from what our Founding Fathers envisioned, we’re saddened by the loss and disillusioned about the future. We see government expanding its powers everyday, privacy dwindling rapidly and individual rights being continuously threatened. Perhaps worst of all, we see a society that is becoming filled with people who have entitlement issues. Thomas Jefferson is probably rolling over in his grave right now!
No, our nation will probably never be what it once was. But there are some people who are in the process of trying to carve out a small chunk of the country for a planned community where residents are bound together by patriotism, pride in American exceptionalism and liberty, and a belief in the importance of preparedness. It’s called the Citadel, and the plan is to build a community of 3,500 to 7,000 patriotic American families living on 2,000 to 3,000 acres in the mountains of northwest Idaho. Apparently 200 families have already reserved space.
Below is a link to the Citadel’s website, where you can find out more about this revolutionary community which will be protected by walls and towers, where they are planning to have school education instead of indoctrination, and where Marxists, socialists, liberals and establishment Republicans may find it incompatible with their ideology and preferred lifestyles.
http://www.iiicitadel.com/index.html
How would you like to live in a community such as the one described on the Citadel’s website? What advantages and disadvantages come to mind? If this type of community proved to be successful, do you think it would have any effect on the overall country?
I’ll be watching this group of folks to see if they are able to actually make this idea a reality.
You can’t change the culture by hiding from it. It will only grow worse. We must be the salt; engaging our culture at every level, Governmental, educational, media, business, entertainment, etc., to bring change. Run for office and/or actively supporting those who embrace our values. Engage and fight the good fight for this country!
Dear Frank,
WOW! You caught hell for posting this one!!!
I’d do some serious vetting of this outfit, before propping them up.
Your Friend,
Orrin
Millions of people would not be on food stamps and
other assistance if millions of jobs did not go over to other countries. Robots have taken away jobs too. In the next 20 years, 100 million jobs will disappear due to the robot revolution. Then at least 140 million people will be on assistance. Are you going to say that these people are lazy and do not want to go to work too? Wake up and see that the world today is nothing like it was in the year 1950.
All I can say to the people of the Citadel is “Remember Waco and Ruby Ridge”.That is our “Beloved” government in action.
Hey Frank I thought once Trump got in everything was going to be fantastic? What happened?
It’s true our ancestors were opting to escape oppression from the government of countries they came from, but I figure we will be staying here and holding our ground best we can. Setting up pockets of our own government within a government seems a bad idea. It is surprising that pockets of those declaring sharia law have succeeded . Why is that? I figure if decent, God-fearing believers, patriots , tried it – there would be great opposition.
That’s teally a shame.
Frank,
The people behind the Citadel project are con artist and convicted felons. They have been exposed for quite some time now. I too once thought they might be on to something and met with and gave serious thought to joining them, even traveling quite a distance to meet with them, only to have my hopes proven futile. I hope you will examine them much more thoroughly and completely before recommended them.
I appreciate your writings and efforts but will unsubscribe if you continue to recommend them!
Dear Frank and All Who Read This:
There is a threat that is infinitely more threatening than the visible and the hidden government in this country. It is from a cabal that has enslaved earth in its totally controlled agenda to keep earth from future healthy growth and freedom. It is directed by a dedicated patriot of whom we need to be aware, and support if we choose. Go to your search engine like Google and enter Dr. Steven Greer. Then select Dr. Steven Greer 2016, and other links later as you choose. In the next window, select Dr. Steven Greer – We Own the Light of Disclosure. You may read the opening article but I suggest you scroll down to November 21, 2015 and plan for a 4-hour lecture about UFOs and free energy related to the magnificent work of Nicola Tesla. I will let him speak for himself and hope his message will resonate with each of you as it has with me.
I read a new book by Tommy Attaway called We Defy. Which resembles in some ways, the efforts of the citadel. The small group met and decided to buy property in a sparse Texas county with a constitutional sheriff. Participation in their well regulated militia was paramount to the successful outcome. They basically set up township and engaged the county politics, set up their own bank based on gold exchange and launched businesses for jobs and economy that also fed needs for their community. The story climaxes quickly when federal overreach authorities step in and the community has to act. My only problem with the book is that the editing is poor, I don’t know if it was an issue isolated to Kindle only as I have not read the hard copy. Still an excellent, thought provoking story. Frank, I’d love your take on it.
The issue is with Amazon Kindle, the paperback reads well.
Where are these people living, i live in northern Idaho and have seen no one or herd of any famlies like this being here
I did not check out the link to the Citadel, but my first thought was that the government would not allow a community like that to survive. I hope that they are recruiting doctors and nurses into their community. They are setting themselves up to an attack by the government. My God watch over them.
Praying for The People of GOD to stand for HIS righteousness – wherever we are – to aid those who will be searching for Salvation through the coming fire-storm. We must keep ourselves within HIS Holy Armor, stay in constant prayer, absorb HIS Holy Word, be obedient to HIS command – LOVE … Pray GOD’s blessing on every soul attempting to serve and save this glorious Nation.
Frank: I can’t find your film review of American Sniper so I will post my comments here.
Frank: Why did they kill him? And why did they kill so many others? For example over time they took out the whole squad that “took out” Osama Bin Laden? Do you, can you, believe this?
Nor is this the first time this sort of thing has happened. I know a fellow whose brother’s whole squad from Viet Nam was taken out one by one after the war. His brother was the last and he was assassinated not too long back by a sniper on the freeway in Phoenix.
So, frankly, I am surprised by the Flag Waving nature of this unchecked praise for his film which, if you refer it point by point to the Constitution can only give us a bad name by placing “my country right or wrong” in place of the “self evident truths” of the Law of the Land–the laws that define us!
You Frank are a big time critic of those who are driving us in the Bi-Partisan drive to extinction as a nation–at least a nation under and defined by the Constitution. And this same Bi-Partisan
group votes for every war no matter where it goes–wars without end! Did you never wonder about that? Does that not strike you as odd enough to put on your thinking cap? Do evil men do evil things and then a little while later suddenly become men of principle and act in the interests of the Good, Truth, Beauty? It doesn’t happen Frank. That is not the way corruption works. It, corruption, takes a whole man. So, why does this blind military ho-ra prevent you from thinking about this clearly, as it seems to do. We have a military presence now in about 800 places around the world! Jesus! Is that in the Constitution Frank? And why are they/we there? Do you think it is to protect American principles? Surely I hope you are not so naive. But what is one to conclude? Why does it seem that you (and many others) are willing to shut off your minds when it comes to what our military is, and what it is doing
abroad–and now with the NDAA–it has a free hand here at home!
I don’t get it Frank. There are so many unanswered questions. Why was he after Ventura? Why did Venture win the libel case against Kyle’s estate? Why was Ventura attacked for defending his name–not against the man’s wife but his estate? The main stream press (surely you don’t trust them Frank!) said that Ventura was persecuting Kyle’s wife–complete nonsense in a libel case, especially when all they had to do to prevent the case was admit that Kyle lied there as he did elsewhere in his book! They had a chance to have the case dropped. They didn’t take it. Why? So, again, why did someone (a lone nut case gunman?!) kill him? Do you really believe that? Again, why was it a (lone gunman)
nut case like in so many other shootings? Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Frank! Surely you can see Frank that to support a military that violates the principles of the Constitution is not a patriot’s support for his country but for its corruption and eventual death! Surely you can see that!
Jay Warren Clark, Veteran, Patriot, and thinker
unite instead of divide.
I would rather see the Patriots uniting all over the U.S.A. and stand up to our government and have well laid plans to bring our country back.That means supporting small businesses ,doing away with our welfare mentality and practice. Grow our own food, supply our own energy.The list goes on.
God bless America and ignore those who are sinners and try to worship with Muslims, who are God’s enemies. Get right with God and you will be taken care of. May God richly bless us with His Great Commission!
Frank, they also have THE NAZI Party there in IDAHO. Be very careful on making a move. Citadel sounds peaceful. It means City, Fortress. Frankly , it would have to be one hell of a Fortress and I don’t think that is the kind of war we should fight? That is a hell of alot of mileage a person would have to run without cover. Sometimes all your eggs in one basket is okay but not always! If we are not raptured out of here when all breaks loose, I tell all my friends and those who do not believe I say it loud and clear, DON’T GET CAUGHT IN THE CROSS FIRE ! GORRILLA WARFARE IS WHAT IT WILL HAVE TO BE ! i AM SURPRISED THERE HAS BEEN NO WORD FROM ANY PART OF A MILITIA. wE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE OUR OWN LEADERS. i DON’T UNDER STAND NOT HEARING ANY UNDERGROUND MOVEMENT? i KNOW LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS ! wE ARE BEING CONSTANTLY MONETORED. lOOKS LIKE EVEN OUR DEFENSE DEPARTMENT RATHER BE RED THAN DEAD. i KNOW THE SITUATION WE HAVE IN THIS WORLD BUT CAN’T ADVERTISE IT!
The wisest man received instruction from the higher power: “If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves, and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways then will I hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land. His people are called Christians today, but today it doesn’t mean to the world what it originally meant. They think if you name the name of Christ makes you a Christian. It originally meant those who tried to live the life of the faith that Christ established. Today so called Christians are greedy, corrupt, don’t care who they hurt in order to get what they want. The greatest gift that they can have is love. It is required to love God with all your heart, mind, strength and soul and love your neighbor as yourself. How many so called Christians are doing that today. We are so ignorant of God’s word that we put the greedy, corrupt ##### in office to run our nation and wonder why it’s going to hell in a hand basket. God’s people have gotten so corrupt that judgment is coming unless there’s a lot of repentance going on. Read Isaiah chapter 1, it tells what it will take to keep our country from being burned with fire and sick people to recover. If things don’t change in our lives Judgment is coming. History repeats itself.
That is the absolute truth.
I wish you luck. Somehow I don’t see the gov’t allowing you to do this. They want 100% control. Period.
We won’t be there. You will be surprised at how many will try to go. We would, but we are in our 80’s and have been there at one time. So we will give up our space to someone able to carry their load.
God Bless
we have to look at how this is being done. those who want to destroy our way of lies play the world like a chess game. create a little problem here and the then appeal to the USA to come and solve their problems. We support and send money to anyone who asks for it. our own citizens sit on their duffs and take their share of it.
how many times has the congress extended the unemployment benefits to those who won’t look for work because they get more on unemployment than by working at a new job?
i saw an interview with a woman who was concerned she was going to lose her $2000.00 apartment because her unemployment benefits were coming to an end.
We have created a society where freeloading is a way of life with food stamps, unemployment and other handouts are the norm.
the politicians tell us we need immigrants to do the work and we end up with messes like we have on the Mexican border. Bush Jr wanted to put them on out social security system and if the didn’t have enough credits to qualify to allow them to use credits earned in mexico.
They are overrunning our country and we pay our citizen to sit home on unemployment. The American dream was not built on Government hand outs.
The government has grant programs to help people get a start in life. a clause in the program says minorities have to be considered first. how do you think these immigrants who can speak broken english come here and are able to start up businesses like restaurants or mobile trucks to sell food from?
We need to keep our money home to create jobs here and go back to programs that worked in the past. lets put import duties on goods from china and other countries and include an excess profit tax to solve our financial problems. It also wouldn’t hurt to have an excess wage tax to stop multi million dollar wages while paying people to sit at home on unemployment and food stamps. This program is sick and needs repair.
Now we are selling our country to foreign countries to come here and earn more money. Japanese Cattle ranch in Montana $16 million . A russian recently purchased a hotel in New york for $88 million and Harry Reid commented a Chinese investor wanted wanted to build a Casino and hotel on the cattle ranch the big fuss was over in Nevada.
Where do you think the money from these ventures is going to go?
It was reported about six years ago that we now import more food than we export AND NOW the cost of food is soaring. I suppose the food stamps will continue to rise until people begin to realize they are going to have to work for what they have and quit relying on the Government programs.
Time to vote the politicians out of office that are giving our country away.
for someone to purchase a business in this country, it should be required that they be a citizen here and pay taxes here. larry
I agree, you have some great points!
Very well stated. How anyone does not get this message is beyond me.
Yes Larry. Even though your neighbors have been systematically lied to just like you and me, THEY are the problem and not those who control what we see and hear–a form of mind control that has been going on for a very long time.
So while we malign and fight with our neighbors (“Who are my Neighbors?” the Bible asks.) the foxes run off with every chicken in the Constitution! The three powers of government, no longer separate, violate the Constitution every living day and what they do is supported by the police who work for them and not us, and yet people like you keep saying it is the moral fiber of our neighbors! You better wake up brother because the way it is not you have made yourself the unpaid voluntary agent for the powers that oppress us! And that is the betrayal of betrayals–neighbor against neighbor! JWC
It is good that they wish to show resistance to what is happening. From an outsider looking at it , it appears they are building their own FEMA camp.
Concentrating numbers you gain the strength of comradeship, perhaps gaining the ability to fight off groups who would attack with small arms, and a gathering of people with varying skills to meet many needs.
I sure hope you have it worked out as to who will be in charge. Will it be on person one vote, or the biggest donor, or who contributes the most labor, or will it be the persons “ranking” in the “world”?
You expose your self to: relying on the strength of the weakest member, greater exposure during a pandemic, the problems of obtaining pure water and waste disposal — those demands of a bringing a large group together, becoming a target of what ever group wishes to enrich themselves with your supplies, or (as others have pointed out) becoming a target of those who fear your way of thought.
It seems much like the “strategic hamlet” of the Viet Nam era.
I wouldn’t worry so much about outside groups looking to invade your community but I would worry about the government goon squads coming in to dismantle the happy little enclave of American Patriots who just want to be left alone to live their lives according to the principles of our Founders.
I so agree with you. Also,you cannot trust all of the people to do what the majority of the group consider to be the right thing. Eventually, there wil probably be disagreement and strife and power struggles, because it’s human nature and inevitably it will happen. It may last for a while but, there is no such thing as a utopian society….
Remember Waco, Ruby ridge and places like that that tried to distance themselves from the general population ? IT DID NOT WORK. The powers that be are bigger than you , they are armed to the teeth and they will KILL YOUR ASS if you do not tow the line. You can not go head to head with them. Read your history books. Look at other countries where people try to fight against unjust regimes, they usually are slaughtered. YOU WILL LOSE. Learn from history, it does repeat itself. THINK LONG AND HARD, and adapt history’s solutions to your problems.
PS: SMILE FOR THE NSA CAMERA
It’s exactly what will happen. The government will attack with viciousness. We who believe in the Rule of Law and the Constitution have all been tagged as terrorist by the NWO misfits.
The current Gov. and the whiners they listen to won’t allow such freedom. Period.
I think they should just go for. It will be a gamble and the government my not go for bye trying to put a stop to it by taking down the walls and turning it into aregular ccommunity. They can’t just have it torn down or can they?
You these people are not stupid. They act stupid and drive us all crazy as they tighten the chains around us.
They have masterminded and think tanked all this stuff into existence. We must speak out the good things that we want. Let us focus on what we want and not on their treachery for what ever we think about expands.
We can dream and make America the land of free once more. Money is not real. It is based on lies and control.
a new country inside a country with a dictator. Obama will declare it federal land and send in drones to destroy it. civial war. that’s what this will bring. go hide your head in the sand instead of standing your ground and fight back. no surrender, no retreat. this your land this is my land don’t forget that!!
The creators of our country faced the worlds only superpower at the time and won. No navy, no military, and we did it. The US doesn’t intimidate any Mid East country, North Korea, Vietnam . yet you brave Americans give up without a fight… We will all die, it’s how we choose too, and the great that comes from it. That’s American !!!
Before there will be a return to what we once had here in America there will be armed confrontations. Many will sacrifice their lives just to stay free from being imprisoned in one of the governments Fema Prison Camps. History has shown us what tyrants do to those who rebel.
American history 101: a band of scruffy, poor, unclothed, unprepared, out-gunned, rebels gained independence from the worlds greatest military and navy of the time…
True enough.
Different times, different mentality.
The Scots were recruited at the time because they were so battle hardened and too hard headed to give up or give in.
We sure aren’t looking at a group of people like that anymore.
Yes, our veterans are still battle ready but also splintered in their allegiance. Some pro government some actually awake and aware of how wrong things have gone in this country.
It looks like it’s time for another Constitutional Convention. This time not by the peoples representitives but by the people themselves by the Internet. Who has ideas on how this might be made to happen?
PIPE DREAM!! WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? WHAT MAKES YOU THINK OUR GOVRNEMNT WONT BLOW YOUR CITADIL UP. A FEW DRONES WILL DO THE JOB. THE DICTATOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE WILL LOOK AT THIS ANOTHER DAVIDIAN STANDOFF . A COLONY INSIDE A COUNTRY RUN BY A DICTATOR. GOOD LICK, DIE WELL.
Thank god George Washington didn’t have the pantie waist attitude you sellouts do
I do not know any reason why I should trust you!1 I cannot believe such a community could ever really be established or that, if so, it could ever be safe from invasion! It could be wonderful, but I do not know you and cannot trust you!1 Your comments could be idle useless dreams, evil deception, or a combo of the two!1 I would need a lot of documentation to prove your honesty and wisdom! Right now, I am very inclined not to trust you! Bobbie Sena
Sit home, do nothing. You lost without the attempt of winning!!!
Eddie is right. Sit home. Do Nothing…. Sounds about right and how we now have a Muslim for a president, and Detroit , MI is filling their city council positions with muslims. In fact, Obama, appointed a muslim to head our Homeland Security Citizenship Dept.
IT’s Shameful.
The Radical Muslims have won. They have us so paranoid that we allow the government to do anything it wants to us and call it keeping us “safe.”
I am constantly being reminded of what Benjamin Franklin said about Liberty, “Those who are willing to trade liberty for safety, Deserve neither safety or liberty!”
You people keep missing the EASY remedy. STOP PARTICIPATING in their CORPORATION.
A few years ago I heard about a group that was just forming. The main plank in their platform was ALL politicians are not representing “The People”. Hasn’t it been obvious that they are all the same? The idea that was presented was to through ALL the bums out!
It seems that the movement got the attention of both the senate and the house and was agreed that something MUST be done to discredit the movement! After the democrats s and republicans hashed this out it was decided to weaken the group of concerned citizens by getting a fringe group with loud voices to all join in thus killing the core groups cause. Money can buy just about anyone.
This is a group that ruined the original cause to vote out ALL incumbents. Then all those entertainers that needed a job piggy backed on the new tainted group.
Welcome Rush, Hannity and God knows who else.
Their jobs are to rile up the the masses and cause confusion. PROBLEM SOLVED! The Tea Party Gets into all issues and makes a muddy mess of it all! This way there will be no changed congress because It’s now referred to as the “Radical Right”.
SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER MESS WE’VE GOT OURSELVES INTO. i PRAY THAT GOD IS NOT GOING TO CLEAR THE PLANET AGAIN OR MAYBE HE SHOULD.
Sounds like a great way to make yourself a target, walls and towers are rather archaic. Even if an EMP hits the US, the next country won’t have a problem taking down a wall. Until then, the folks in Washington will have multiple satellites pointed at you, so no thanks. Better to keep something like that private and on the down low.
Absolutely! The internet is the worse place to broadcast creating an enclave of Patriots to separate themselves from this rogue government. It will be infiltrated the first day by agents who disrupt the peaceful coexistence and report back to their leaders on what you have acquired for your defense.
I also think it would change the type of person who would run for office
I think a better approach would be to write a referendum and put it on the ballot. Have it say that congress shall write no that excludes themselves. End the pension plan a up that money in social security so that they will be living by the same rules. Strike from every current law anything that excludes government workers no mater their position in congress, President ,social worker etc. When they leave office their pay stops. I am sure there is someone that can refine this thought and get it on the ballot. I feel certain that it would pass and accomplish a lot of the things most people see are wrong with the current state of affairs in our country.I think this would be a better approach of everyone’s time and energy.
Check out Patriot ! he has the only solution that will work, I am a member of Patriots for America, Oregon Chapter, We are gathering momentum to be in DC on the 16th of May, and we WILL take back our Country! Please consider joining us for this effort, we need all the help we can get. this won’t be an easy task but we must do it. Sitting back and just making comments like some of those here are not doing anyone any good and only make those of us who are trying to do some good look bad.
We can’t run & hide! We have to unite & fight!
Amen brother! I will be there also representing FL & NC! / life vantage –
1.8 million expected to take the week off & send DC the warning!
Great living concepts, but I see no future in them if the actual design is meant to thwart the federal government, even if you have serious munitions capabilities.
The country is divided ,in half . I say , Alaska , Montana ,Wyoming , Idaho , Nevada , North , and South , D , Arizona , Texas , And whoever is like minded , to succeed from United States . Let Obama and the other Muslims and the other communist have the rest.
William. It was interesting to see the Blue and Red states on the map at the end of this election. The entire West Coast; Blue (open borders?) and the right tip of the East Coast Blue (probably where Bloomberg and his billions bribed and bought positions etc.) ….
Thomas Jefferson had some good values as did many of our forefathers. As I read threw the comments I noticed that most of us know that our government won’t allow community’s like this exist. To win this battle we have to take our government back. The first thing we have to do is redefine our party. We have let democrats define us. I get so aggravated when I hear people say that there democrats because, democrats are for the poor and republicans are for the rich. A large number of democrats don’t even know what the democratic platform is all about. The commit about EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE this person absolutely has it right. As was Thomas Jefferson, if you want to eat work for it. If you want to help raise someone out of poverty, give them a job. If you want to enable employers to create jobs, don’t regulate and tax them to a point where the employer can’t make a profit and make there businesses sustainable. I’m not talking about big business. I’m talking about small business that is the economic engine that is the base of the american dream. If you work hard, do what is responsible for your business, and you employee’s you will develop relationship for success. I support employee owned corporations where when a business succeeds everybody wins. Wall street’s practices of CEO’S million dollar bonuses, while there are billion dollar loses and government bailouts that get passed on to the working class continues to have the finger pointed at the republican party because were defined as representing the rich wall street cronies. Where is that politician that has the guts to stand up an represent us. (We the people) We also need to step up and support this candidate.
Frank, why the enthusiasm about a medieval idea. Have you read the negative comments of your clientèle about the venerability of such a plan. A Patriot fights the “silent” battle through votes and protest planning. The Constitution must be defended and followed as it has been for a hundred years.
Better idea- Let’s all meet in Washington, DC on May 16th and take our government back. Check out-“Operation American Spring. We need 10 million people to meet in DC and be willing to stay until the traitors are taken out of office.
O.K. Here is my 3cents worth.
This is a pipe dream. You can build walls, towers, bunkers, arms factories, churches, schools, etc. But you need to remember they will all be on American soil and under state and federal laws and regulations. Lets say the Feds decide they want to observe movements and the progression of the community. They will. And by any means they deem necessary. If there is resistance, an armed conflict, does anyone honestly think that THIS CURRENT government would not use all means at there disposal to end it? ABSOLUTELY. There is no way a “community” could survive, much less win. The only way the American people will get back to having our rights back is to take THEIR government back. And the only way it will be done is to EDUCATE > EDUCATE > EDUCATE the VOTERS and only then will our government be our government again. Building walls solves nothing, correcting the problems with OUR government is the ONLY logical way this can ever be accomplished.
Walled communities is not the answer, WE the people, have the most terrifying weapon the politicians fear, the Ballot Box. WE can retake this Nation and make it great again. Fire every liberal gun grabbing, Tax raising crooked member of Congress. Do away with welfare, and The Federal Reserve. Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson told us how and why. You want to eat, work for it!
Alvin you hit the nail on head there. the lazy asses need to get off there butts and work to eat. and keep a roof over there heads and taking the hand outs
I would love to live like that and all pull together planting and living as God intended BUT that would be a target for the enemy to ‘wipe out’ as may Christians as possible…..don’ t want to be a party pooper as we are all looking for better ways but spread out we are harder to recognize instead of let them know who we are…….
It would have to be done very quietly without anyone knowing outwardly that that is what is being done. Communities that are gated etc. and no one is allowed in unless they are patriots but it would have to be covert and not advertised……people would have to get in touch and make arrangements very quietly you know? We will have to do something that is for sure……maybe tell the left…you take the East and we will take the West and never the twain shall again make each other furious…split us but we already are anyway!!! It all makes me sick but it is happening and there is not a lot we can do….except pray as never before. There is much that Christians can do to help each other however in our own towns and reach out planning together so that when the time comes the bug out or the end will come easier to take…. Churches need to start a food bank for the future..quietly in a different place than their church building as that will be a target when they try to remove us all from going to services etc…..places to gather that is not at the church??
I would be all for that type of living, but two questions;
1- What means of employment would there be for the regular Joe. I mean, there could only be so many experience required spots at the arms factory and one would need a steady income to afford the “lease”. This sounds like a great idea for either retirees or those with a boatload of money already.
2- This really has a future either as a great success or, unfortunately, as a great target. Does Waco or Ruby Ridge ring any bells. Our dear, loving Uncle Sam would not allow this to succeed without painting it to the people as fringe wackos and then “dealing with the problem” with law enforcement, government troops or a visit from a wet team.
Don’t get me wrong, this sounds like an excellent concept if the governing rules (as well as these questions) were fully explained.
If I were loaded with money and could afford to live there (without giving up my entire savings), I would say its a long overdue idea to come together under a governing body OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.
I would do it after some review but ,
What to say that this isn’t another WACO disaster in the making!
What would happen when the authorities decide that they won’t stand for it and they bust down the doors to end it all !
What are you telling me you have an arsenal to prevent this from happening & what’s to say we would servive !
What kind of social behavior would it be like?
What would an average day be like?
What would I be doing to fulfill my part in a new community?
What that is the ? So many What If’s It would be great if the world would just get along!
Send me an email with some answers and what commitments you would expect from me and along with a worst case scenario!
A positive attitude is always the best answer, that is the way I was brought up!
It is a great idea—- probably others later on scattered around in remote areas.
The thing I would be concerned with is the opinion and accusations from
the folks drinking the liberal and socialist Kool aid and possible same type of
governmental attack as in Waco.
I hope not and I wish them success—it will be a start to reclaiming our nation.
I would like to follow their progress also.
At least they will be doing something—–Jim
Why all the way to Idaho and virtual non-existence? New Hampshire is already pretty grass-roots operated, takes no Federal money hence toes no fed line, and is home to the Free State Project which also targets incorporating enough members into NH to dominate the state with libertarian protections. Add to that already on-going effort and you’ve got a winner.
there is already a “citadel” in SC a military school. why did ya’ll pick that name and notsomething original?
Hi there,
I am not an American (by nationality), and politically I get confused still on the difference between republicans and democrats (both words have the same meaning except that one comes from Latin the other from Greek, hence my confusion). But one thing I can say (as an outside observer): things in the US of A are not going nicely, and anyone who thinks otherwise better look twice and thrice. The land of the free has stopped being the land of the free quite a while ago. I mean, I admire Americans because of their willingness to put it out, to risk it all for what they believe. I haven’t seen much of this as of lately.
Useless wars, yes, plenty of those, but nothing that would really revolutionize the world.
So i think that building this CITADEL community is a very good idea. who knows? maybe things may change (for the better), because sure as hell they are changing for the worse right now.
so, from an outsider looking in… do your best guys! We are fighting similar fights in our countries too, so give it your best shot.
Freedom to all.
As a matter of fact, I am one of the members of this Citadel community. Everyone out there calling us kooks, you are entitled to your opinion and we are entitled to ours. If you stay out of our business, we’ll stay out of yours. Let us succeed or fail on our own merits. No one is saying you have to like or support us.
For everyone else out there saying “we have to take back our government!”, how, exactly, do you propose to do that? We have discussed this over and over. With those of us that actually believe in the Constitution and BoR being so spread out, voting in our respective elections is doing nothing. A few votes here or there don’t make a difference. The Citadel was discussed (and is being designed) as a way to get a large enough voting bloc to actually make a difference in local elections. When we get a community of like minded people together, we can actually sway an election. We have also discussed the other types of communities and why they didn’t work. We may have missed some things (I’m sure we did, we’re not perfect), but we believe we have figured out how to make it work.
We are not talking about becoming isolationist, in fact, our major source of income for the Citadel is going to be III Arms. The only way for any business to be profitable is to have a client base. We’re also talking about having an actual community with all the different types of businesses that are needed to be successful. We’re also talking about doing tours and renting out our “castle” for parties and fairs. We all hope and pray that we never actually have to close the gates, but if we do we’ll be ready for it.
I have a lot more I can say about this project, but I urge you to go to the Citadel website and learn what we are planning to do before you bash us for “hiding behind walls” or whatever else.
We are just a group of people that don’t believe our country is going to survive as it was intended (in fact, most of us believe THAT country is already gone), we are simply trying to build a haven for Liberty. Someplace where we can live and let live in accordance with Jefferson’s definition of Rightful Liberty.
On the walled city idea I think it is just hiding in a larger and more attackable way.
We need to take our country back. Until our generation with a few exceptions it was a limited republic based on Christian principals.
We lost our way with help from our school system which has not been teaching history and has been teaching socialism. That is a conspiracy of some type. But we should not spend time on that too much. I hear it started in 1963 which makes sense because I went into the service in 63 and came out in late 70 and it had a big head start. My generation only had one good idea and that was solve our own problems and let the rest of the world solve theirs. Giving aid of any kind except disaster is wrong. Especially military but ours must be the strongest or we are toast. The conspiracy is global.
Our country business wise is based on capitalism. I am not being snide really but that is where those who have money start business and those who do not work for them. The have nots who work hard and save become haves who create more business.
Christian ethical principles keep one group from taking advantage of another. We have had robber barons and union goons both are wrong. Morton Todd is wrong big time he wants to do Obamas thing which is wrong for obama and wrong for Todd.
God bless you all as others have said is the key. My wife reminds me that we will win only if we pray and do Gods will.
Wouldn’t work for me – I can’t swallow home owners organizations much less a communal environment!
Will there be HOA (home owner association) fees?
Also..
What would keep the Feds from calling it a “compound” and sending in SWAT teams or burning it down with incendiary devices like they didn’t do to David Koresh and Chris Dorner? I mean, you don’t seriously think that this won’t be like a red flag in a bull’s face?
Dear Frank,
Gosh. This sort of commune utopia was tried before back in the ’60’s and ’70’s. Of course most were stoner hippies who are now our liberal politicians,Wall Street wheelers and dealer and crooked bankers! Or, they were dangerous religious cults.
In theory I’d love to be part of such a group if it remains true to the Constitution and the principles of freedom.
The problem I see is this corrupt government and the movement toward a police state! Homeland Security will find a way to declare them a nation security threat, throw the Constitution aside and raid the place! They will do as they did during Sandy and Katrina and illegally seize all the guns, ammo, computers, etc., and maybe turn the place into a holding camp.
ALSO! Did you see where there is a serious movement for parts of Colorado and Nebraska to secede from their respective sates and form a new more independent state?
Your Friend In Freedom,
Orrin
“Homeland Security will find a way to declare them a nation security threat, throw the Constitution aside and raid the place! They will do as they did during Sandy and Katrina and illegally seize all the guns, ammo, computers, etc., and maybe turn the place into a holding camp.”)
True! But this was with the muslim for a president who appointed muslims to head our Homeland Security Dept…even the police (of a certain color) became lawless….during Hurricane Katrina (I don’t know how many of you saw this on the national news)…but they were filming all the looting etc…there was a female non-white (is that pc?) police officer looting right along side the looters….with her gun flapping free on the side of her leg. I almost fell off the side of my chair to get closer to the T.V. to make sure I was seeing this correctly. Yep. Saw it with my own eyes. I can tell you this I would rather have a law-abiding citizen with a concealed permit next to me during a crisis like this anytime of the day!
Hold your musket high, keep your powder dry. Know your enemy better than your friends or family. Be ever vigilant and always ready! jwstx
Morton Todd has it right fellas. But I might add that all our foreign debt be scrapped from the books. It is just a way for congress to steal more money from us in the light or repaying debts. The rest of the existing nations owe us their ass as of 1945 when we signed the armistice. They would all be wiping the dust off the boots of German or Japanese commanders and eating scraps with their hunting dogs just to survive. Close the borders, tell the rest of the world to KMA unless they are willing to play ball on the same field. No favors, no exclusions, no more lobbyists, nor life time politicians, two terms and your out. You pass a bad bill, you pay for it. How is that for accountability? jwstx
Having lived in a couple of communes in my earlier years after I got out of the military. Communal living is a great idea but it never seemed to work as expected in the two different ones that I lived in.
The problem is a basic one, not everyone is willing to pull their share of the work load. I think it would have to be a special group of people that could make something like the Citadel work. I can only hope that it works. I wish everyone who gets involved the best of luck and God Bless You All.
WHAT CAN WE DO? It seems every time we try to elect some one would change things, they
get sucked into the same old endless vortex of more of the same, or they get blackballed
to the outer fringe where they can not accomplish any thing! So like I said, WHAT CAN
WE DO???
interesting, as long as this community provides privacy, some are a lil too close for comfort (for me).
Speaking of entitlement… even dogs have issues, that and they have become picky eaters. I could go on about the domesticating of dogs, but that’s an entirely different issue. I love dogs but…
All that is needed is a few strong,well known,well financed, group of people with a direction to lead us as a people.All of us have our agenda. Give me a solid ideal to stand for and I would stand buy there side.This is my home and I will stand for it before it is to late.
Wow… Is Richard Wolff worth reading or not? I’ve never been exposed to Capitalism and economics in such depth and so quickly!!! I’m not sure I can grasp all of the points of the discussion and wrap my mind around it. But the one thing I did get in big letters is that we can’t keep doing business in the same old way. That go for electing our officials also. Something has to change, and only we as a nation can change it. We just can’t keep voteing in the same old people all of the time, and listening to the same old crap. Not unless we want to keep geting the same old crap! We as a people need to stand on our own two feet, think about what we are doing, and who we are puting in charge of us, and give our kids what we have promised them. I hope Frank will run the follow up meeting.
A SMALL CITADEL THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO BUILD WILL NEVER BE SUCCESSFUL AND SURVIVE. WE HAVE TO GET TOGETHER AND TO REBUILD WE MUST `FIRST ARREST ALL POLITICIANS IN THIS COUNTRY AND CONFISCATE THEIR ASSETS AND RET`URN THE MONEY TO TOUR TREASURERY. THEN GET OUT OF THE` UN AND THE UN OUT OF OUR COUNTRY AND BACK TO FRANCE WHERE IT1 ALL BEGAN. CONFISCATE ALL ASSETRS THAT THESE FREELOADERS HAVE TAKEN FROM OUR COUNTRY AND SEND THEM HOME WITH ONE SUITCASE OF CLOTHING. SELL ALL THEIR EMBASSIES AND ASSETS AND RETURN THE MONEY TO OUR TREASURY. CLOSE ALL OF` OUR EMBASSIES THAT ARE IN COUNTRIES THAT ARE NOT FAVORABLE TO US AND GET OUR PEOPLE OUT SAFELY AND THE BOMB THE BULDINGS AND LEAVE THEM AS RUBBLE AS THEY WERE WHEN WEGOT THERE..THIS CAN ALL BE DONE BY MAKING OUR` COUNTRY A MILITARY STATE FOR 6 MONTHS WHILE WE ACCLOMPISH THESE TASKS AND GIVE THE COUNTRY BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHERE OUR FORFATHERS MEANT IT TO BE.
Frank,
You and I may have similar ideas on many issues, but I have managed to keep my conspiracy theories to myself and lead a pretty average life. The American dream is not what it should be for the efforts we put in and I understand that the top 1% greed and political b.s. is the reason that so many people struggle in an ‘even more demanding’ economy and social state. Laws being shoved down our throats, personal decisions being made for us by others and corruption are fueling an inevitable uprising of the middle class.
Following is an email I composed after watching our local governor (New York) concoct HIS IDEAS of gun control and attempt to shove them down our throats. His ideas of keeping children in school longer and alienating them even further from real life and good wholesome work ethics also infuriates me! While lying in bed looking for some politics to put me to sleep, I fumbled across this WPBS broadcast.
I emailed it to about 40 of my closest contacts and only got a response from 1 person. It is the 1st time in my 50 years I have started to really understand our economics and political structure and been able to rationalize what the real problems are. I would like you to circulate this broadcast in your own format and help to open up people’s eyes in a positive way rather than a conspiratorical (my word) way. So many people with positive American attitudes ( yes the ones that are keeping us in this state) are scared away by survivalists and realists. They just can’t grasp the fact that the American dream will never be realized by their children under current conditions, and like me, don’t know what to do about it.
Richard Wolff knows, but nobody is listening!
http://vimeo.com/60234702
I saw this on WPBS last night and honestly I believe that much of the stresses felt in our society today; mass killings, gun bans, definition of ‘illegal’ activities (as an attempt to keep our prisons full and costly to the taxpayers) etc… is all part of this economic ‘suppression’. I believe it is the work of the 1% ( maybe not consciously by some), to break down any family ties, union bonds and organized opposition (including religious beliefs) to maintain and grow their wealth at the top levels.
This man, Professor Richard Wolff with college degrees from Stanford, Harvard and Yale Universities in Economics and Business, describes the issues involving our economic decline and eventually doom! I constantly engage in conversations with others grumbling about all these things that anger us, but it never goes farther than that. I wonder why, when most people feel the same way, we just keep talking about it in passing instead of changing it? I personally ration that it is just TOO BIG to wrap my mind around to figure out how to get past these issues…..
Guess what? It isn’t too big for the common person to get his head around, it’s just designed to confuse us. We are constantly under the assumption that we can have the American dream if we just work for it, but it’s not true! The 1% are satisfied that the economy is moving toward their interests and are orchestrating a Capitalist failure.
Skip ahead a few minutes to get past the boring introduction, and I GUARANTEE he will command your attention. Thanks for listening.
If you need to confirm this conspiracy theory ( and I don’t use marijuana ) an amazing documentary, boring at times, but amazing statistics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT-UIe7l3-Q
Then why not raise the minimum wage to $1000/hour? Richard Wolff is a fool. Minimum wage is theft forcing inflation for all. Increasing cost of living is driven by the fed printing more money, higher taxes and increased minimum wage. The more you make, the more you pay in progressive tax. Yet he ignores these facts.
With people like that running our country, we are in trouble. We have to for one good strong group o save our beloved U.S.A. as we all knew and fought for. The only group that says it all is (c4l) Citezens for Liberty that want`s to give our counrty back to the people and take it away from the politicians who have ripped us off for over a 100 yrs. I would put them all in jail and take back all the assets that they have given to themselves. It would sure reduce our deficate.
Until we find a way to clean up ” our own back yard” we need to stay out of other people’s. how can we “make sure the election is honest” in other countries when we can’t do it here? The lack of a paper trail prevents a true recount. So, in my openion, we need to stop working on the “problems of the world” and start working on the problems here at home. The influx of foreign money into our political system buys the foreign intrest groups just about anything they want from troops to financial aide. Prime example … Why are we giving money ( aid ) to countries we owe debts to? Especially when the “aid” does NOT go toward the debt!
Frank and to all others that are a bit more clear minded then the sheeple. Look, do you ever REMEMBER WACO? a group of people, innocently living out their lives without issue… This place is nothing more than that. All it’s going to take is one egocentric bureaucrat or psychopathic law official or judicial system to remove them-from the face of the planet… (Drones strikes anyone)… Look I want anonymity, I want to be left alone.. but when you spout “Freedom” “Independence” or anything that opposes, even in concept, the ability to NOT pay homage or tribute to the ruling, AUTHORITY, you become the target… This crap is getting us nowhere. discussions by complacent passive idealists that really don’t have the IQ necessary to see the ENTIRE picture… (And yes, I HAVE IT)
You guys are idiots!!!! What a collection of loons :-D
i will be your huckleberry NO bad ideal,instead of hiding behind those walls and towers where you think you will be safe.WRONG your gov.will come to get you sooner or later.we need to stand now and take back the rights we lost.your gov,AND everyone in it has to go.we should use the missisppi river as the new boundary line. put the capital in Texas or Cal.and stand up and fight like our fore fathers did ,revolution is coming like it or not.yes even in the good old u.s.a.remember we saw all the old movies about everyone fighting their corrupt to over throw it. well wake up america the time is now! tomarrow may be to LATE.
why would you you divide the country at the mississippi river? california is worse with it’s laws than almost all of the east coast. we need to stand united and get rid of the unwanted government that is causing the problems. bring our troops home and rebuild this country to the greatness it once was. we need to educate our youth and improve their work ethic to get things done. dividing the country makes no sense. the media and government has already divided us as a people, dividing the country physically will just make things worse.
It is sad to say but very true, government is not the true root of our current dilemma. The electorate that seated the socialists politicians who a
Hi Frank,
I strongly feel we must continue to communicate with each other freely, without government interference. Your Power 4 Patriots is another must. Continue to do your work. And Incourage communication as it is our last freedom to exchange ideas, and information. We need to reestablish the fact this country is still a Republic not a socialist country, forced to live under the Golden Rule, which means the4 man with the Gold rules. Old Hugh