Feds have a reason for giving local police war weapons
When it comes to well-armed drug dealers, rioters and looters, I think most of us want our local police departments to have enough weaponry to win the battle. But how much weaponry is too much for a local police department to have? That’s a question being asked more and more lately as we see how well stocked some of them are.
Back in the 1990s, a program known as “1033” was launched. It involved the sending of equipment from the Department of Defense to local police departments. While still functioning well, this equipment was no longer needed by the DOD. They had received newer, more sophisticated equipment. In addition to helping local, budget-strapped police fight the drug war, it allowed for equipment to be re-used instead of being scrapped for metal.
Among this equipment have been grenade launchers, helicopters and machine guns – items that are used more often in wars than in general police work. In this program, local law enforcement agencies can also request items that include tanks and military aircraft.
Since it began, the program has transferred billions of dollars’ worth of equipment to local police forces. One police chief in a town of 23,000 people requested an armored vehicle in order to patrol the town’s annual Pumpkin Festival. Another received an armored personnel carrier with a rotating turret.
One of the biggest fears that many people have about this situation is that local police departments will misuse weaponry with such dangerous potential.
Personally, my biggest concern is “why.” Why does the government feel that it needs to load up local police departments with weaponry that you’d normally only need in a war. What type of scenario are they anticipating? What do they know that we don’t know about future potential civil unrest?
Everything keeps pointing to the same thing. The only way we’re going to survive the coming chaos is by stockpiling food, water and other essentials, making our homes as invader-proof as possible and having guns and ammunition at the ready. Don’t wait any longer. If the government thinks civil unrest is going to happen, we need to be ready for it.
Come on folks! That is neither a U.S. Tank nor a U.S. Town. Am I really the only one to see that?
Thomas Jefferson said “the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” That tree hasn’t been refreshed as often as needed, IMHO.
I’ve heard quite a few Police Officers and Military personnel say outright that they would not fire on citizens but they would use their weapons to fight on the side of the people. I am hoping (maybe naively) but still hoping that a lot of them would help organize militia groups which is the reason for the 2nd amendment to begin with.. God bless all true Americans and protect us if it comes down to the nitty gritty……..
Martial Law before impeachment occurs!
Be prepaird, just in case. These could be the Last Days.
This article by Stephen Bridges is about the real reason insurgents with firearms can wipe out government tyrants who have tanks and artillery.
Curious, I do not care if people own guns, each their own, but people say we should own guns to keep the government in check. How does a gun help against a rocket fired miles away, a drone or airplane flying overhead, or a massive tank driving through your house?
It’s a fairly common question, and it deserves an answer.
The simple answer to the question is “asymmetric warfare.” Smart fighters don’t put their troops in front of the enemy’s best weapons. They use their best troops against their enemy’s week points, and exploit those weak points mercilessly.
In the hypothetical event that the federal government attempted to impose tyranny upon the citizenry of the United States, it would likely trigger the largest insurgency that the modern world has ever known.
Despite all of our awesome technology, we stink at fighting insurgencies.
We lost in Vietnam. We won the conventional war against the Iraqi military easily, but we didn’t defeat the insurgency. We’re losing Afghanistan, and our leadership has no intention of fighting to win.
All of these insurgencies have been overseas, where the supply lines were long, but relatively well-protected. The producers and supply chain itself were never threatened.
In the event of an American insurgency, it wouldn’t be a straight-up fight of partisans with rifles fighting against regime tanks, helicopters, and drones.
It would be a war where “killing” a fighter jet occurs by assassinating aircraft mechanics, or burning the homes of employees of the companies that make crucial replacement parts. It would be a war where every elected official, government employee, and skilled worker in the supply chain would be a target, every day of their lives.
In short, it would be a nasty, brutish conflict full of atrocities with no battle lines, no rear areas, no retreat, and little chance for government forces to survive over the long term.
As long as the American public outguns the military—and they do by more than 90 million firearms—no sane government would dare turn on the American people. That is the reason it is so important for the citizenry to jealously guard their Second Amendment rights. – Stephen M Bridges
http://bearingarms.com/what-good-is-it-for-citizens-to-have-guns-when-the-government-has-tanks/?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm
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Frank, I somewhat agree. There is absolutely no need for grenade launchers in local law enforcement. As far as “machine guns”, it depends. If they really are just fully automatics such as M-16’s, no problem. M-60’s and up, not so much. Helicopters, you bet, but not the armed Black Hawk types. Armoured troop carriers, absolutely. Can’t be beat fro officer and civilian rescue. Anything can be abused. It’s up to the local government to make sure this is not the case. Remember, the vast majority of local level law enforcement officers are on our side and only want to do their job and go home safely at the end of their shift.
IN VIETNAM WE VERY SELDOM USED FULL AUTO. IT HEATS UP THE GUN AND ON AM16 THE GAS CHANBER WILL BLOW OUT. I WAS A RANGER AND CARRIED AM60. THAT GUN WILL TERA YOU IN HALF AND NEVER SHOT IT FUL AUOT. TRIGGERED IT. AFTER ABOUT 200 ROUNDS THE BARREL HAS TO BE CHANGED. THIS KIND OF MILITARY ARMORMANT IS MEANT FOR THE CONSTIUTIONALIST. THE PRO GUN PEOPLE. THE POLICE ARE ASKING FOR THIS CRAP AND HTERE PLAN IS TO USE IT ON US. GRENADE LAUNCHERS. WHTF!! SHOOT ONE INTO A CROWD, OR YOU HOME TIME TO LOCK AND LOAD. OUR GOVERMENT AND THE UNITED NATIONS ARE COMINNG FOR YOUR GUNS.
AFER 2000 ROUNDS !
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Obama does have something up his sleeve, like a third term, and it would take martial law, or war with another country. Why has HLS, spent 3 times the money, per person, than they have, per person on our military. The BATFE, is one evil bunch, a lot like ISIS, but different type uniforms. Just look at all the BS going on right now, this is Obama’s work, and he wants it all over our country, and this is the reason for the militarization of certain agencies. This is what Hitler did, after taking everyone’s guns, and look for the new, so called DOJ, to really make a hard push, on our guns, and ammo. I’m sure this build up, is not to fight the muslims, that has infested this country. May be, that a lot of theses arms, have gone to these muslim groups. After all, Jeh Johnson, over HLS, like Obama, has a lot of love, for islam. I’ve been saying for a while, Obama’s been setting this country up, for a down fall. And I can’t believe, that our Congress, is allowing all this to happen, unless they’re wanting the same thing Obama wants. Just think, Hellary will make Obama look good. Her love is money, power, and the New World Order, that’s the dark of her foundation. Our enemies, donating millions, to her foundation? Something’s bad, bad WRONG!
I have read your comments and ideas for about a year, I cant say I agree with everything Ive read but in principal I think anyone with common sense has to know whats coming. I am alone now and have no one else to worry about but at the same time I would like to relocate to a less populated area and be of assistance to a family that could benefit by my knowledge and assistance. I am self supporting and would like to feel of use
How about coming to idaho?
As a Long Beach biker thug, then war trained vet and then born again watcher on the wall, I’ve read your respondents and quailed at the downright stupidity, ignorance, foolish thoughtlessness, misinformed rumor, disinformation that is spreading throughout our disjointed communication centers–like a virus.
It is like the MAD CRAPPER hit your building. All you can register is the smell, the sight is beyond comprehension. An Assault on your senses
Whats really happening here is while the mad crapper or your local porn distracts you – your rights are being stripped away. Wake up and grab whats yours
What is left behind is they’re views on how our thinking matches the Thinking of the enemy. As a team leader, strategist & long goal planner. I am appalled at the narrow minded,, selfish, unaware, unenlightened childish minds that present such tripe of conciliation. You Can Not Deal with a Radical. I personally have on hand ammo x several thousands by caliber over 8 years ,weekly, monthly supplies to bring myself up to Brigade strength quantities. I can cover my hood! And feed and power them as well.
Over 2K pds of beef, pork, lamb, chicken ,got seeds sprouting and gardens growing. Remember Jesus gave when he had not & always loved but warned us to be wise as serpents & as gentle as doves. This dove carries a big gun which I will gladly surrender if I’m persecuted for Christs sake – otherwise I am a warrior that defends the health and welfare of the brother/sisterhood of Christ our Redeemer
Dear “B”,
Though your heart & mind are in the right place, all the food, water, and ammo in the world can’t save you against the military weaponry. It’s so far advanced, we have nothing to match or even be on equal ground. It’s not like in the Civil War where everyone had guns, muskets, and cannons. What this regime has is far superior than 100 guns with 1,000 times the ammo. ~Blesings~
Amen to you brother!
The Military should be Outraged as Obama has the TSA,NSA,DHS,ETC as his “OWN” MILITARY FORCE AND HAS DISREGARDED THE UNITED STATES MILITARY.
This is exactly why I don’t believe he will have anywhere near majority military support. I think we’ll see his pet commander pets attempting to man the weapons.
Frank,
Your right everything does keep pointing to the same thing. The only way we’re going to survive is by stockpiling food, water and other essentials. But instead of making our homes as invader-proof as possible we should dig giant underground cities like our government. We won’t have guns and ammunition at the ready because they are going to take them like they did during Hurricane Katrina. I Don’t want to wait any longer… if the government thinks civil unrest is going to happen then why don’t they just get on with it and tell the truth that they dropped the Towers. They would get their unrest! I wish Uncle Sam would give me a tank…I’d live in it…but I would most likely be sent to a FEMA camp for being homeless. I apologize for being sarcastic to every one and for the other little blog things I have written or replied to. All this news sucks and it just keeps coming and is going to continue until the shit really does hit the fan! I’m sorry Frank but the only thing we can do is beg for forgiveness and believe in God. Paradise is fully stocked!
For Frank,
In Reply to Rick:
Who doesn’t know … WE ARE IN A DECADE AND A HALF OLD WAR! I have noticed the latest events in France (another big put on)! The liberal nation of France don’t have any guns…That’s why our police have tanks, so they can make us like them. I really don’t care about the Muslim jihadists over there or any where else for that matter. They are people too…just b/c our government labaled them the boogie man doesn’t mean every one should hate them. I think all this crap is being perpetrated by Black Ops CIA or FBI (The French Gov. is involved also)to scare the shit out of everyone. Our local police units MUST NOT HAVE THESE TYPES OF WEAPONS & ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT. They have it for us…for civil unrest so In closing … I’m ALL AGAINST IT! But I’m not done …this war was started by a corporate global entity…like the world bank in collaboration with our own government and every government on earth. I barely missed fighting in this lie of a war. The people of the whole world are being lied to including the Muslims. I love every one and hate every Government! I’m finally free …I see the truth and it scares the shit out of me!
Dear Frank,
The “Militarization” of domestic law enforcement has come about over 40 years, in bits and pieces.
The first steps was back in the 70’s and 80’s when the “Drug War” began heating up and it was discovered the bad guys had us cops “out gunned” on the streets!!!
To compensate we put aside our trusted .357 Mag revolvers and graduated to the Beretta 92 (after the military) and other high capacity pistols. They gave us more rounds and a faster rate of fire alright. But, we lost our diligence at “Placing Every Round” (even at distances of 50-100 yards) and we gave up “Man Stopping Power.”
Then came the AK’s, AR’s and illegal sub-machine guns as the cartels and gangs realized they were winning the war on drugs! So long guns were issued to try and make things fair and we began answering calls brandishing them more and more often.
The trouble is, the “rules of engagement” for police and our right to self defense had already deteriorated to the point civil court juries and public opinion felt we should only be armed with “Marshmallow Bullets and Nerf Batons!” Today there is no such thing as a “righteous police shooting” and individual cops are the only ones to pay the price.
Once upon a time a 45 minute coroners inquest absolved an officer for shooting some violent perp in self-defense or defense of innocent victims. When it was declared a good shooting it was OVER. The officer could not be sewed and were usually back on the job within a week or so.
Now, an officer is guaranteed to be automatically treated like a criminal! Their gun is taken, their homes can be searched and all the rights of he or she must accord a criminal … don’t apply to the officer. They are suspended or sent to the “rubber gun squad” until some shrink says they are well and not a serial killer. Worst of all is the officer and his family are GUARANTEED to be named in a massive lawsuit.
Everyone forgot, outlaws don’t care where their bullets go, while a police officer knows that he or she will buy every $10,000 mailbox (actually worth maybe $15) that any of his or her rounds might hit; good shoot or bad.
In the wheel gun era the average police shooting involved 2 to 4 rounds. By the 90’s it jumped to 8 and now it is 17 (FBI stat’s).
In 30 odd years and having executed hundreds of search and arrest warrants, we personally only needed to resort to “Explosive Entry Tactics” maybe a dozen times. Today it is SOP to call out SWAT for the simplest of what should have been a simple “Knock Knock” search … and the resulting property damages and unnecessary use of that kind of extreme force are costing us taxpayers hundreds of millions a year; usually payed out to the BAD GUYS, all their illegitimate kids and girlfriends!
Of course, you are absolutely right … the last decade of “Militarization” has evolved from the federal governments fear of mega-civil chaos (such as in Ferguson, MO). However the fed’s biggest and secret fear is the subliminal, yet looming potential for another rising up of “We The People” against an ever growing and dictatorial oppressive central government.
I’m too old to likely see it, but I’m terrified for my children. grandchildren and great grandchildren, if we (the American People) don’t wise up and put a stop to the Washington power and money grab.
We cannot survive ass a nation if continue to allow the President, the Congress and the Supreme Court to freely act outside the rules of law as set within Bill of Rights and U.S. Constitution.
Their abuses and greed CAN be stopped peacefully and legally!!! But, we as a self-absorbed, “what’s in it for me” society and our two-faces, corrupt legislators haven’t the inclination, the will or intestinal fortitude to put a stop to it.
Sorry, my friend, but this topic is one that really ruffles my old feathers! I’ll climb down off my soap box now. This is just one of those issues that should make every American furious and very much afraid!!!
God Save America and Protect Our Police and Troops,
Orrin
The militarization of law enforcement agencies is one thing but these brave men and women take a oath to protect and serve the People and our Constitution. I took an Constitutional oath 44 years ago and there is no expiration date on it. My biggest fear is the militarization of domestic agencies. These people are better armed then our law enforcement and military and swear no oath to protect the Constitution. They’re in it for a pay check. I see most Sheriffs standing up to unlawful and unconstitutional federal BS. I want to believe that they are not part of the problem we’re facing but the part of the solution when the SHTF…
I will end my comment with a quote from Thomas Paine…. “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace”
God Bless America Again.
Many people would “like to believe.” That’s a major problem.
Well said, my sentiments exactly.
I live in a pioneer vintage log house. Very secure under normal circumstances, but not so much if faced with 21st century armory. Our “leaders” have lost their minds.
If they have such equipment/weaponry, they will have to use it to justify having it!!
I agree with you – – – just don’t be in front of them when the decide to use their new toys.
You asked,
“What type of scenario are they anticipating? What do they know that we don’t know about future potential civil unrest?”
That’s easy. They know that economic upheaval, devastated markets, and massive layoffs befall a deflated economy. Everyone complains about the economic bubble the reserve banksters love so much, but to me, the alternative may be even more scary.
Dear Frank,
I would like to comment on this article………
Just in case you have NOT noticed lately … WE ARE IN A WAR!!!! Have you not noticed the latest events in France?? The local (French) cops did not even have a ‘pea-shooter” to combat the armed muslim jihadists over there. The French citizens had to wait ’til the SWAT Teams showed up. Considering the weaponry & associative equipment these SWAT Teams had, just where do you think they (the police SWAT unit) got them from. I don’t think it was the local Wal-Mart!! Our local police unit MUST HAVE A PROPER TYPE AND AMOUNT OF WEAPONS & ASSOCIATIVE EQUIPMENT TO PROPERLY DEFEND & ATTACK THE LIKES OF THESE JIHAD A$$HOLES. In closing … I’m ALL FOR IT!!!!
Times are changing and our Police are facing more violence than before. Armored vehicles are life savers for the swat teams and the patrol officers to get beside to protect the officers in a shooting situation. It is a shame that the police have to use all the body armor, armor vehicles but we are facing way more violence today than before. The police have to do what it takes to get the job done safely and go home to their families.
gimmie a brake you must be a cop or work for some other so called arm of the government. true police are facing mor violence, but ask yourself if you are willing to use the military grade weapons uncle uncle _ucker has put at you fingers on your friends family and neighbors you will be told to use them on for no reason other than the feds think they may be a risk…
wake up
“Our Police are facing more violence than before?” Only because they are the ones out of control. They are the causes of the violence, they initiate it, they promote it, then refuse to accept responsibility for it.
THEY NEED A HELL-OF-A LOT MORE TRAINING!!!
If they are afraid for their lives or their safety, then they should seek a different vocation in life because they would never make it as a U.S. Soldier like ME!!! I accept the responsibility of not only my actions but of the possibility of dying in the line of duty, whether I wear my uniform or not. I don’t look to die, but I will not shrug my obligation or responsibility or possibilities. So if your a cop – put your big boy and girl pants on or find another line of work!